Such a thing exists. Whats more, Larson seems genuinely appalled by what happened. After the event I hadnt seen a shipping notification. Hes totally grasping at straws on that point in his video. I had the EMP4 Contour and a TRP on my 2017 list. LAR 8 is a nice weapon. An American voting for a Democrat With all the gun control in northern Illinois how the hell can they screw all of us like this! Rock River Arms has I swear its getting hard to keep track of them all by memory. And their quality has never wavered (damn straight). I am happy with my Polytech. Bill may not have been perfect (who is), but his passion for firearms was solid and he was known as Americas Gunmaker, for good reasons. 2) One of the Resses got caught doing something bad again, and a deal was reached to help anti-2nd forces in exchange for an investigation going away. Couple of Butler Buildings, concrete pad to support machinery loading, movers and a power hookup. If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. Huh? If I was a competitor, Id print up ten thousand flyers announcing Springfields decision and carpet the show with them. One dealer told me hes pulling Springfield product from his shelves to give his salespeople a break from carping customers. It is the fault of the people in Illinois. Did you expect anything less than shady from the Illinois legislature? No offense meant, I was just pointing out that Springfield Armory has no connection to the city of Springfield Illinois. Springfield isnt doing anything that the vast majority of companies do, protecting their bottom line. you cant fix prices or youll get a shortage. Im not ordering anything Springfield. That is amazingly Meanwhile, over at the Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. * How to order a firearm: See The Guide. Post interesting results everywhere. Somehow, I get the idea the House will be a cakewalk for any anti-gun bill compared to the Senate, which this one has already passed. Both companies are stalwart defenders of 2A rights and arent in the habit of heavily funding Bloomberg puppet, anti gun politicians, as has been discovered of both SA and RRA. IRS records have also been found that shows Reese is on the board of IFMA. I made the move to northwest Indiana 20 years ago. RRA models, like the RRAGE, LAR15, BTB, ATH, LAR68 & Light Mountain, are available in many different color options and calibers. It will make my future purchases easier because two manufacturers are automatically removed from my search and consideration. As for Springfield Armory, Im really sorry to see them cross over to the dark side. Dont need it, but I kinda like it. CTD is my last choice. Simply offering ideas and encouragement. The innovation and embracing of modern ideas weve seen the last 10yrs (MSRs, suppressors, polymer everything, etc) never would have happened under Bill. Having this blow up the day before a brand-new product launch at the NRA convention is basically the exact opposite of fortuitous timings for Springfield. Damn This is turning into that mob with the torches looking for Frankenstein. January 2023. This should put some perspective on how important this issue is to many of us. The plant where that rifle is made revitalized the area n which it is made. RRA looks pretty darn guilty or pretty darn incompetent. If youre looking begin your 3-Gun or short-stage PRS competition endeavors, the Rock River Arms RRAGE 2G may be your ticket. This Modern Sporting Rifle is built with a carbine-length gas system with a low-profile gas black to efficiently redirect propellant gases. A whole lot of gun owners see the deal as a sell-out. Especially ones outside Chiraq. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. Ruger didnt compromise, they wrote the AWA and betrayed every American gun owner in a most serious way. cant hornor us people gun rights I say F THEM ALL. Springfield cleaning to get the taint out of there. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. I hope that it will bankrupt them, for it appears to be the only way these gun companies will learned to to alienate their comsumers. If discounted to $0, maybe. Do they somehow know the licensing scheme is going to be corrupt or extremely expensive? Also check out the BM 59 kits and complete rifles out there. Reese is a business guy, not a gun guy, as this video demonstrates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkfjwStDUUQ, At 1:02 hes pointing the XD at the host (which Leathem mentions, ?). RRA is pretty close to Iowa iirc. I hate to say this Tony, but you are completely clueless about lobbyists. Great gun. If truth about guns knows whats good for them, theyll be taking this story down and apologizing publicly for spreading untrue assumptions. Because of rumors of canceled orders. My target is when my oldest daughter graduates from high school. I posted a similar comment on another article about the same subject matter, but again, and for emphasis: SPRINGFIELD IS DEAD TO ME. The silent majority will get the shaft, not gonna be any civil war, get over yourself. Out of stock Compare. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. So I have to ask. Might see if you can find one to test out. Its not just selling, genius. Ive heard of them canceling orders. That being said, even if we do, Springfield is done as a company. I dont expect everyone to feel that way. S&W was owned by a British company who were forced to sell their company for pennies on the dollar. It is in between 5.56 and .223, but will safely shoot both. In fairness, Sprin gfield Arm ory isnt the only one to co-opt a name that it had no connection to (cough-Henry-cough). The lobbyists sometimes seriously overestimate how happy something will make a member or simply dont have the time to keep the membership completely up to date with minute-by-minute updates on how wrangling over a bill is proceeding. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved.. But Illinois only has about 2.1m gun owners of 12m population thats fewer by a significant margin than the number of hard-core urban Dems in Chicago alone. Have been eyeballing the SA Saint the last couple weeks. (3) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical CAR A4 223 Remington/5.56 NATO Carbine $ 684.99. I just wish there was a good M14 clone I could get. I live in Illinois. Fight it. Its a FACT that those brands are twice the price as Ruger. I have a Rock River PDS carbine. I buy and shoot a lot of guns, and this includes SA models, but I have put them on notice that I will never buy another unless they make this right. Rock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer located in Colona, Illinois. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. Absolutely love them. Make this a massive intractable mess. I got a 12 2a armament Mlok handguard from them for $148.97 and free shipping in September. We reserve the right to adjust product prices as dictated by the market.. To whom will they sell? Compare. Made in US, SSteel frame, ambi controls, no mag safety, field strips/assembles in less than a minute with no tools or pulling trigger. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. An xdm9 and a 1911 loaded. The NRA would likely throw you and your fliers in the dumpster. The XD and Saint are good guns, but they really arent all that different from a lot of other good guns on the market. To address these issues, various proprietary chambers exist, such as the Wylde chamber (Rock River Arms)[14] or the ArmaLite chamber, which are designed to handle both 5.56 mm NATO and .223 Remington equally well. Damn shame. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History. Its like trying to work with Bloomberg himself. He might want to eject before the SS Springfield capsizes. Shocking I know. This new model is the latest in the growing line of rifles and pistols based on the RRAGE platform. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. But they were happy to allow their lobbyist to finagle them a carve out. Now they piss on us and tell us its raining? I think probably not. They must be put out of business for their treachery. That should be true. I would have called my lawyer, the NRA and a publicist. In my collection i have a M1A, a Socom 16, a XDM in 45 and a XDmod2 in 9mm. But I didnt detect a lot of love in his words. Its pretty much just SA and RRA (and maybe a few tiny shops, but those are pretty much the only two big gun makers in Illinois). Enjoy 45% Off Rock River Arms Goods At Walmart. Audits of the players, including the lobbyist and relevant politicians, and FOIAs or something for pending investigations against all the same could prove enlightening. If only there was a place to run-and-gun in or near NWI. You wont be able to pull a fast one and expect to not get called out on it. The more concentrated the producers and sellers of firearms becomes the easier it will be to controlled and monitored. Not a nice odor. The idea being that this bill is so toxic that Senators passing it or the Governor signing it will be drawn into a wide-ranging financial and criminal probe. Never a single problem, thousands of rounds. All evidence to the contrary? No lobbyist will take a position without their clients approval, because THE CLIENT PAYS THE LOBBYISTS SALARY. More interesting question: can Springfield even attempt to disavow at this point? Every damn one of you bad asses crying I wont buy from them again would have done the same thing. I would move EVERYTHING 25 miles West to Davenport Iowa. Imagine, a corrupt Illinois politician! Your Price: $744.13. The RRAGE pistol features a 10.5-inch barrel. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved. Czech Republic makes good guns,like CZs. Springfield, on the other hand, has gone silent. But do they double down on their error (Target) or put things into place that not only fix the error but make them new and better than ever. Everyone (hopefully) recognizes that Bloomberg et al use bad legislation in NY and elsewhere as models to sell to politicians elsewhere, hence the need to use all available legal avenues to demonstrate the fallout from such actions. And no one calls or emails the company that is one of the largest contributor the IFMA group. Huh? Enjoy shooting it, and the second one if you buy one. Glad I waited. If CTD notices panic buying, shuts down their site and reprices everything, thats their right. Springfield is DEAD to me. If these dam gun man. You have entered an incorrect email address! Im appalled that Rock River thinks that we are that gullible.. That kind of thing actually happens all the time in lobbying. Ruger today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. When I found out that they hire Vets to assemble and test them, it was icing on the cake and I got one for low $400s. Since 2002. Ben Franklin once said, If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.. If RRA really didnt know about this, then their next steps should be to cancel their membership in IFMA, denounce the lobying they did, and maybe start looking to move. 2nd Amendment Supporters are up in "Arms" pun intended about the News broken by The Truth About Guns article concerning recent state licensing for all Illinois gun dealers that IFMA (Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association) a lobbying group back by Springfield Armory and Rock River Springfield Armory today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Like a shrewd negotiator, Harmonhappily added a manufacturer and big box retailer carve-out to the bill so he couldcobble together the last few votes he needed to get it through the Senate. Last Updated. The S&W deal with Clinton was made on March 17, 2000 and the company was sold for $45 million ($15 million cash and $30 million in acquired debt) on May 11, 2001 So I got the mags from a third party seller and have refused to do business with them ever since. This was a bit disingenuous because, basically, both companies were Springfield for intention; RRA for negligence. How many Illinois politicians wind up going to jail? Springfield Armory *deserves* to be pitchforked and torched. Good luck RRA. They are actively editing social media but refuse to address the issue. I dont have anything from either of the turncoat manufacturers and based on their actions, I never will. And gun control wins, like this keep the gravy train flowing so they can continue to draw a paycheck and keep on going. I would sell the xd .45 and the xdm 9mm I already have but I dont think there is much of a market for them now. I thought it was great that they were living in the same liberal hell hole that I was living in. I dont buy imported guns so SA & RRA are not going to loose any sales because of me. Its sad but it happens. $14.95 Per Firearm One $9.99 Charge For Any Amount of Accessories So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock River Arms probably isnt the best option. They ONLY DO WHAT THEIR CLIENTS TELL THEM TO DO. Lower Half, A2 Stock Just From $410. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. Have you not been following this story? Fuck Ruger as well. Free Shipping On Most Rifles, Upper Halves And Complete Lower Halves. CMMG .300 blackout will become my next purchase. thats the one ive just stopped considering. The response was to Mark about the others being vastly superior, not your comment. There should be a hall of shame for betrayals (and later repentances) by gun companies. The vast majority of companies can do what they want to, but have have to insist that firearms companies fight for the 2nd EVEN WHEN ITS NOT IN THEIR COMPLETE SELF INTEREST TO DO SO. Low character move. They are good weapons but I Cant help but feel betrayed when I look at them now. First, they co-opt the name of a famous military armory to start a business with absolutely no ties to the original Springfield. Its about the same price as an M1A. How is it that they even survived to change in the first place? Springfields CEO on the other hand, either through stupidity, hamhandedness or outright lying has seriously damaged his company. Those bastards. And theyre telling their friends. They seemed like a freedom loving company that supported the right for people to do what they had rights to do. There is NOTHING I need from a company that is obviously manipulating the system for themselves. They can spout their support of the 2A all day, just like Shannon Watts does, but its just words. I am still trying to figure out how best to get rid of my XD-40 and assist in flooding the market with used XD pistols. If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. Neither will have the working capitol to sustain a relocation. Springfield Armory had two, and their now-fired lobbyist held the fourth IFMA directorship. SA created it). There is too much crap that I dont have a choice on (can you believe EVERY RV tire is made in China? After the backlash he closed down the store and retired. Many companies make mistakes, sometimes huge. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. because Im sure you dont live in illinios. I bought my first Rock After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). If this bill actually passes, I think the hit should be pretty severe. Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. There never was a Henry fi rearms company (until 2002). Well after reading this and let me add no love for blue Illinois my days with SA are over. job creation they call it (bribery is such a dirty word). We need to defend our legacy from the likes of them !! Its their prerogative. Some times they have deals. This says a lot about the people running the company. Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. At least Henry, like Ruger, is 100% American. Advertise their treachery. Why does Ruger all of the sudden get a pass on treachery? Yes, that is the cloud which is usually much larger than the silver lining. Could be paperweights. AR-10-style rifles, the Rock River Arms LAR-8 stands alone. I say boycott both RRA and Sprinfield until they get sold off to someone who cares about gun owners. It washis lobbyist whostood aside on a bill that rations everyday Illinoisans to nine firearm transfers per year. No guilt trip on my hip. Smith and Ruger more than compensated for erroneous thinking. Maybe the deal was the result ofa lobbyist gone rogue. I want to see how they fix the mess they created with the people who liked their product. Glock and S&W sell their guns to states like NY, NJ, HI that trample our 2A rights every day but I dont see you bashing them and Ill bet most of you own a Glock or a S&W. Yes, a company can move and thrive, as it only a matter of time before the cutout is removed and they are closed down. Beretta kicked Maryland to the curb for their ridiculous gun laws. They use forged parts and at least the Chinese are honest to let you know where the parts come from (China) whereas with Springfield it is a toss-up where the parts are made (I heard from Taiwan, Canada, even the Czech Republic!!). Your arguments are supercilious and embarrassingly logic free. My inventory of six XD pistols two 1911 .45s and two M 1As will be up for sale tommorow. If that hurts a company whos sold you out, good. There is a story of a guy that got run out of business after a hurricane because he jacked his prices up for generators. Good luck! If you apply more than 9 make-ups in a year, you are in cosmetology businesses. Was very interested in this new pistol too as a possible single-stack semi-auto alternative to my J-frame. What gets me is there has been plenty of time and opportunity for damage control or to save face but they havent done anything to fix what theyve done. IF WE LOSE RRA BECAUSE OF THIS HYSTERICAL REACTION, thats a blow to liberty. Looked at a custom SA 1911 before purchasing an STI. Maybe thats the case in many instances, but its not like the IFMA has thousands of members. Ruget supported the ban on high capacity (ie standard capacity) mags as it favored their line of sporting rifles like the mini-14. No Springfield guns for me. As far as the betrayal, bear in mind that it was the act of a couple of people and unfortunately there are plenty of freedom loving 2nd Amendment supporters working for SA that will be harmed by their bad judgement. Theyre both stuck now. How did Ruger even survive to do a turn-around? Id bet a bunch of employees would jump at the chance go move from IL to TN or MO or TX. His quote was basically the above damned if I do damned if I dont and that it wasnt worth the headache. Henry? Hindsight is always 20/20 and the Liberal Dems are always after our Firearms Freedoms. Oh yes, Illinois folks: start an ACTIVE campaign outing all the IL Representatives that voted for the bill. Good luck with that RRA. Several other really good CCs out there too if you want one of the big mfgs. theyre NOT trapped in Illinois,they can relocate,same as other gun companies have done. Bullshit. Find Senators and Representatives in close political battles last election and get their previously defeated opponents on board. Companies move all the time. Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. Probably hard now to sell it for half what you paid if at all. Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. If CTD notices panic buying, cancels prior sales and refunds them, so it can resell stuff that belonged to its customers, thats not their right. Sellouts. An M1A was at the top of my wish list that I saving for. Bill is long gone and the last 15yrs of Ruger leadership have taken a much different stance. Rock River Arms had one seat. Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms Trade Opposition to Illinois FFL Licensing Scheme for Carve-Out. Are they doing town halls? And yes, they are actually closer to Iowa than to Chicago. Good grip, low muzzle flip/recoil, ambi controls, no mag safety and very easy to strip/reassemble. The dimensions and leade of the .223 Remington minimum C.I.P. They MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. After the next civil war, we wont allow another one. The rights of citizens that theyve agreed to negotiate away will NEVER be restored. Had a Springfield 1911 that I sold late last year to fund another purchase and was thinking of replacing it with a TRP at some point guess this gives me all the excuses I needed to spend a few hundred more for a Dan Wesson or an STI. Mostly out of states with onerous laws and heavy taxation. There are more corrupt justices out their than honest ones. Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the This is why I said should not will. Whats the hangup for SA? Down side is nobody making spare mags for it yet other than Hornor Defense. What should be boycotted is this garbage blog. Rock River Arms offers its version with a twist near and dear to my heart: the new LAR-15 pistol is available in both right- and left-hand configurations. So Rock River spent at least $50.000 fund the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. Tony- IFMA is SAs and RRAs lobbying firm(as opposed to an existing firm that SA hired. RRA and Springfield can suck my dong, they will never get a penny from me. Tell us more about your experience in running a business. We will support our Illinois brethren and NOT purchase anything from Springfield Armory or RRA. Or how much it was going to take to replace them? Your Price: $744.13. Great comment, but I dont think it is enough. As a long-time, dedicated anti-gunner, this wasnt Senator Harmons first legislative rodeo. Easy there tough guy. Maybe there is a Mrs. Reese or someone or something burning cash on the side (gambling, drugs, who knows) that is consuming profit faster than SA can generate it. Now for 2022, the company ups the game for hunters with the introduction of the All-Terrain Hunter (ATH) , a mid-length rifle that stands tall in the field of AR-platform hunting rifles. Great grip and trigger. Theyre sole purpose is to protect their own interests. Nice deal on it until 4 July as well. IMO, this last election postponed the literal civil war Ive been advocating for for over 10 years. If you dont support Ruger you dont support American ideals. I have an SA Profesional that I really like and was strongly considering a Custom Carry, but this turn of events gives me a real pause to that idea. This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. Screw them. A CEO that listens to the customer. Well, not basically, they did. When S&W is in the position to potentially block anti-gun legislation but decides not to because it is better for their business even if it screws their customers, THEN YOU WILL SEE ME call for an S&W boycott. chamber also differ from the 5.56 mm NATO chamber Keller dropped IFMAs opposition, providing cover for a couple of wavering Senators to vote for the bill. So an opportunity to block others selling in Illinois seemed like a quick and dirty way to make a few more bucks. Which would help with elimination if in the future. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 LEF-T 5.56mm Tactical Operator AR-15 Left-Handed Rifle Notify Me When Available; Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: LH1278; Rock River Arms LAR15 And unbelievably stupid of Springfield. Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. About three years ago, RRAs Elite Operator hit the market sporting features designed specifically for professionals. The .308-caliber LAR-8 is plenty of gun for big-game hunting. Ruger was making superior quality products using totally American resources. As far as the trigger, if the RRA has the 2-stage trigger, it is much better than the stag. The local ones are more like highway bandits than gun dealers. Thanks for Nothing SA. After Bill Ruger died, Ruger also dramatically changed direction. No offense intended. I know people who continue to not buy Ruger even after his kids made up for the old mans traitorous ways. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 X-1 5.56mm Black Semi-Auto Rifle with RRA Beast Muzzle Brake Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: XAR1751B; Rock River Arms LAR-15 X-1 5.56mm Flat Dark Earth (FDE) Semi-Auto Rifle with RRA Beast Muzzle Br Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: XAR1751T; All businesses are licensed at the state level. When I explained that sales were still legal before the SAFE Act deadline went into force, they still refused. Dam I just bought a new ranger officer model.Had I know this earlier I would not have bought it. Well also work on the NRA to start taking a firmer stance against rogue anti-2A manufacturers, no matter how much advertising space they buy. AR-15 Parts. Dont own a Springfield anything and now never will. Anytown on I80 feels like the Chicago area to the downstaters. So in a nutshell Ruger and Springfield are now on the list. 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