So since youve seen a lot of this kind of up close and personal through talking to witnesses and elders and staff people, how bad was the abuse at Willow Creek? But now my faith in the whole institution is shattered. I think he lost it. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. I dont think I could survive the corruption I see today had I not seen so much thats good and beautiful in the church growing up. And he committed sex acts with her. Because it was lawyers advice, you know, and its like, where does the word of God play into our decision making? I mean, I cant tell you how many stories I heard just like the one that you told the people who said, Well, I was at a conference with Bill Hybels, and he was awful to me. It should be something that he learned from, right? Now youre a lawyer. God uses the faithful and generous support of people like you to continue to change lives through the ministry of Telling the Truth. Youre its just not its not a matter of if its a matter of when. I think the load needs to be shared. Yes, I would view it far differently today. And this is one of the I think exciting things. It started as a simple tape duplication ministry in a home basement, using a reel-to-reel tape recorder linked to a dozen smaller recorders to duplicate the Briscoes' teaching. Basically, theyre a rubber stamp., Julie, I have a different take on what happened at WCC. Petes teaching and emphasis on the sufficiency of Christ leaves an indelible mark on so many of our souls. Hmm. Like so many of you, I love Pete. Much has been written on establishing criteria for board member selection. And not elevated above it. That is a very fair question. Boy, and if more churches did that, how much pain and heartache among the sheep would have been spared? Who hasnt given a friend a friendly kiss once in awhile? How does our elder board navigate things differently with that Pastor? And you mentioned to me that there were some stop signs along the way. And I had a wonderful experience. So when you have someone who is trusted, whos supposed to be an expert, you know, like a pastor, like a longtime senior pastor whos supposed to be a theological expert, and someone whos in authority like a senior pastor, people are willing to do things to satisfy that person that they would not otherwise do, even if those things seem harmful to another person. If anything has a whiff of impropriety, we would jump on it immediately. And when I came into the representation, that was a new term to me, Id never heard anything like it. So your pastor, he chose himself to step down, correct? Thankyou in advance. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. Yeah, that is super dangerous. Those are the good guys. And the people in this story are complex characters. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. Yes, probably a number of your listeners are aware of the situation where the Ortbergs and Mellados had tried to report to the board an alleged long term affair that Bill Hybels was engaged in and the church hired an outside investigator to investigate the situation. Right? Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. Well, lets talk a little bit about the leadership that protected him because I think that is the question that I keep hearing over and over from folks is, How do we prevent this from happening? Im Julie Roys. Pete has offered to And theres an element to which a church like Willow Creek was a global church, right? Everything started to make sense. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. Hes also a strong believer and advocate for abuse victims. That was my upbringing. That is not a matter of policy. How did that all happen? Lawyer for Bill Hybels Victims Shares Inside Story. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. What eventually broke the culture of secrecy and protection? I thought that emails could always be recovered, even after being erased, by a good IT person. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. And some of it also involved a culture that was willing to cover for wrongdoing. They show up, they sell books. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. Im so glad that theyre godly men like you serving. Just what I call a deformed leadership culture at the church where certain things became acceptable that shouldnt. They didnt have the ability to respond to new issues as they arose. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. Its one of the beauties and the deformities of social media is social media is agile. I agree, Pastor Bob. I hear you say that and I believe in accountability really strongly. I think that was a move of God, a move of the Holy Spirit. Briscoe You know, I believe in spiritual strongholds and things like that. When the when the mans lying on the side of the road, naked and bleeding, theyre the priests who cross the street. I dont know. Board members selected in such a way are unlikely to honor their fiduciary duty ahead of their desire to please the board chairman or senior pastor. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. Well, again, Joining me today is Mitch Little a partner with Scheef & Stone in Frisco, Texas. Because we represent their interests. Bent Tree is a multi site mega church in the Dallas Fort Worth area thats had its own share of crises over the past several years. So disappointed in ECFA. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. Well Mitch, one of the things Ive never discussed is that we used to attend Willow Creek. And you have to, there must be assiduous accountability going on in the life of someone who has the big radio show has the big platform, his platform at conferences and large organizations, because the temptations are greater. At least, thats how I saw it. Is that right? The other woman that Mitch represented will remain confidential but both these cases enabled Mitch to peek behind the curtain at Willow Creek and view upclose some of the dysfunctions that led to that scandal. Hes one of the good guys. Thank God I have Jesus. Im wary of the theatrical, evangelical stars that are so prevalent now. They had so many churches, thousands of churches coming on board and being a part of those. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. Hes like, I wasnt trying to protect the man, who by chance was his brother in law. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. Destroyed by a staff person is my understanding. Right. And which really makes me sad because theyve had a change in leadership. It is a collection of people. So Scot, its like the scene in The Avengers when Iron Man just kind of drops out of the sky. Please note, our website requires JavaScript to be supported. I think they can do it effectively. I was just following following lawyers advice. So its okay. Hi. I dont think that theres anything at a mega church that innoculates it from being good. The small tape recording process drew the attention of many people who were eager for a copy of the teaching they heard at church to share with friends and neighbors. Yeah. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. It manifested at the Human Resources level. Is that correct? We needed to go to the hills and fight as guerillas, you know, what is guerrilla warfare? Maybe some of your listeners are familiar with that you can go on YouTube and and see what thats all about. Fellowship, Church family, Community. This is what manifests. So you caught them before that anything actually happened? I wonder, I wonder what effect that might have had on them. Like they didnt read a book, figuring out how to do it, but there are warning signs that people need to be aware of. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. So thank you. It is not a building. Dear anonymous. I just want to say this was not someone who acted on any behavior at our church, but had someone who was in the process of grooming someone else. I did live it. Briscoe Well, I tried other churches and its more of the same. etc. Yeah, without using any names. What makes you stick with that model and believe it can still be used despite how badly that model has been abused? This is just the way things are in Corinth. So I want you to think about this while you know Bill Hybels is being accused of doing awful things by a dozen women. So as we part ways, let us make the departure sweet. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Jill And in the few times Ive spoken with him, I found his insights to be profound. This is Chicago Tribune. This is people who are dissillusioned, who wanted big jobs at Willow and didnt get them. But when Scot, the the intra tribal dissenter steps up and says, This is wrong, things shifted. And if you are not willing to as an organism, or as an organization say, We messed up. So grateful for those who did and Scot McKnight who came out with a just a powerful, I remember when his blog hit and he said, Every elder has to resign. And within what, wasnt it a week, all of them resigned. I was blown away. What I do, you know, and what Ministry Watch is doing and what all these independent bloggers are doing, that its bringing accountability. Okay, how it didnt bring accountability. So Mitch has a very unique perspective. Bent Tree family and friends of Bent Tree, we invite you to post here (or on social media) your comments of encouragement, gratitude, blessing, remembrance, and tribute to the many long years our brother Pete and sister Libby have poured out their lives for the building up of Christs church. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. How are you? The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. And that was how Bill deformed his accountability structure. Its really pride. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. Why didnt others support them? I appreciate your feedback. You know, when you have somebody like Bryan Loritts, who when hes talking about why when he was at a former church, he didnt disclose to the church that they had a sexual predator among them for six months. He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is It was like trying to fit a battleship through a set of French doors. Also I want to let you know that Judson University is planning to resume in person classes this fall for traditional transfer and adult students and its still not too late to apply. And it had all of these allies not just in the media, but among the angelical industrial complex, other megachurch pastors, everything. So I was really struggling with my faith. But he had the emotional and spiritual fortitude to say, You know what? About Stuart and Jill Briscoe I understand that the desire to have elders dealing with what Ill call Echelon or tier level, theological topics: What does the church think about, you know, for example, racial reconciliation? Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. Can you imagine what that does for book sales to be on stage at the Global Leadership Summit among people all over the world and touted as an expert in something? I For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. So I was quite taken aback when this scandal came out. I think, as believers, we should be standing for truth, we should not look the other way. He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. Tell us what you learned through you know, bringing this person to light, confronting him and dealing with the entire situation that we can learn from as a church. When I came onto our board, the terms that Pete Briscoe used were, guide, govern and guard. And I think policy governance has the governing part. We were fighting asymmetric warfare, right? The outside investigation report said something along the lines of, Bill Hybels hundreds or thousands of emails with this woman were, not available. Well, as it turns out my understanding from talking to witnesses, those emails were actually destroyed. Fifteen years later, I joined staff at Bent Tree. Churches sometimes need advocates outside their system. And Willow just, they got killed because they wouldnt respond and say the truth. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. Its designed to be fought asymmetrically. By the way, the best thing that was said in the recording is that if character isnt there, none of the regulations will matter, and if character is there, one doesnt need the regulations. But they spoke. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. What I need most is what I dont have. And I think you hit the nail on the head. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. Yeah, they eventually did. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. Thank you so much. I appreciate your taking time again away from your vacation to spend time with us. So, you know, Julie, its really its death by 1000 cuts. Well, and that is one aspect of the story that I wanted to explore together because I know that what happened at Willow from my understanding of speaking with Vonda and several victims is that it was far worse, the abuse there and far more pervasive than most people know, and thats one of the frustrations I know of a lot of the victims is that Willow hasnt publicly acknowledged that or publicly said how bad it was. And you you actually refer to it as multi-level marketing. Funny, whenever I would watch Bill Hybels preach online or speak at the GLS, and he would go into that quavering voice, tears-in-his-eyes, emotional mode, Id stop listening. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. If you go back and you look at Bill Hybels books in retrospect, Im amazed at some of the things that are contained in his books that people became okay with. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. Below is a link to a PDF of the article World Magazine did on a sex abuse scandal involving VOM. You have to have a strong culture of accountability. Let me give you some examples. As a lawyer whos represented some of Bill Hybels victims Mitch Little has seen a side of Willow Creek that few others have. And wasnt there something with Bill Clinton coming to the church and speaking? Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. And I think theres a kind of an old guard of megachurch pastors and leaders that think that theyre above accountability and theyre beginning to realize theyre not. This person or these people were hurt as a result, you have a pride problem. To view their entire showroom online. And if you think its not, you know, go and look in your church building right now, if youre quarantined under COVID, or youre not gathering. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. I think thats dangerous. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! Yet, Scripture and to how to teach it became new and deep and exciting every week as I listened to Pete in the short three years I have been at Bent Tree. What eventually broke the culture of secrecy and protection? We have an open listing for a lead teaching pastor in a what I believe is a healthy church environment. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. Well, I want to turn our discussion to what youve experienced at your own church, which is a multi-site mega church there in the Dallas Fort Worth area, because those are things where youve been able to apply some of these lessons that youve learned from watching the negative example maybe of Willow Creek, youve learned an awful lot from going through crisis at your own church. And so I do think its a healthy thing when youre afraid of doing wrong, because it will be brought up and you will be held accountable. Theres, theres an advocacy piece to lawyering that needs to be there a little bit, but it doesnt need to be pervasive. Also, make sure you subscribe to The Roys Report on Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. I mean, it was a great time. In the early 2000s, as Stuart and Jill transitioned into minister-at-large roles and spent more time traveling to serve the global church, an additional voice was added in order to bless the supporters ofTelling the Truth. Also, major problems. But lets talk about since were talking about the media, Willow Creek had unbelievable resources at its disposal, right. And Hybels said, essentially, Yeah, well, well do it that way. And Clinton showed up and then didnt comply with anything that the board had said. Vanilla orchids are actually pollinated by hand in most places. Its M-I-L-G-R-A-M the Milgram experiment, but basically American researchers were trying to figure out after World War II, why so many in German society were willing to go along with the Nazis or go along with their leadership, do incalculably horrible things to people. And if you dont have a character to lead, no manual is going to help you. So, while I have strong feelings about this, as you can imagine being a lawyer, but at all points, legal advice has to be subservient to Scripture. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. I hope you have a great day and God bless. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. Its all a Business and Power tool and stage for Virtue Signaling. And theres a lot of people asking, Is that just too great a burden to ever put on one person? How do you respond to that? Stuart and Jill Briscoe have always had a passion for teaching God's Word and speaking Truth into people's hearts and moving them toward God. None at all. I mean, its an accurate criticism of people within the church. Lets say you have you have six or eight members who are saying, Guys, we need to fire this person. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray And I realized that as we were discussing this, that there might be some people who have heard about what happened at Willow Creek, but somewhat superficially, through the headlines and dont really know beneath the surface. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. What I saw happen at Willow is, the board as a unit was willing to dissemble in the amount necessary to preserve the organization. I attended Willow for seven years. Please contact us or click here to learn more about how to enable JavaScript on your browser. Briscoe So many people are looking the other way. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. The church said in essence, Tsk, tsk. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. Welcome to the Roys report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. Leave them alone. I can see the elders (more than half of which were women), and people in general saying, It was only a hug. So there were more than 10 women that came forward and said that there was sexual misconduct by Bill Hybels. You have to have a lead pastor who creates a strong culture of accountability. And I do think theres a spiritual stronghold, I hope and pray that it will be broken in our area. Ive even friended a few. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. Manipulative theatrics. Im against too many lawyers, and I think Im in a position to critique this. He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. May you and your family be richly bleSSed!!! Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. I have been a child of God since I was four and in ministry most of my life. So a young person in our high school ministry. And gratitude is where we must go in this time, as Kurt Baxter reminded us on Sunday. And I remember you saying. And there was also a service at WC where the board interviewed him and was he was questioned about an affair. But heres what happened when Scot criticized them publicly. I am with you in this sad place of justified disappointment in the church. Today, Telling the Truthis heard anytime and anywhere, thanks to international radio programming, the internet, and our mobile app. In fact, I know some of them. May God lead your next steps and may you find ways to use your gifts from a place of health. 1 talking about this. And I feel that way with these pastors. You can choose from more than 60 majors and learn in a Christian environment known for its spiritual values, leadership opportunities, and strong financial aid. Everyone I knew from childhoodparents, grandparents, pastors, Sunday School teacherswas upright and honest. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. All the times something didnt seem right. 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