They removed them and proceeded to interrogate the poor girl until she gave them what they needed. I have researched the case and pointed out discrepancies and the fact that it was not the slam dunk that they were portraying. This is a fascinating and informative article that has answered some questions I had, and prompted others: 1. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. She s. That poor girl. It was Judge Footes first criminal case and it was against a woman whose children he had removed from her care even though she had not been convicted or sentenced; a conflict of interest and pure madness. It was obvious to the cops and the prosecution because they proceeded to get her daughter to testify against her because they had nothing to prove she was the shooter. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. 5. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business. Now if the shooter was this James Haynes guy, someone who apparently Diane Downs knew from buying drugs, then that would explain why she stopped in the middle of that road. How could they expect a normal mother/daughter reunion between a beaten inmate whose mental health had degraded and a daughter trapped in this insanity? There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. As a result, joint legal custody which means parents share in the decision-making 1 is becoming the default decision in many family court systems. They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. If he was getting too close to the witness emotionally he should have stepped away from the case. The fact that Dianes injury was way more serious than they tried to pretend? If thats what you want then dont pretend its anything but. I especially loved reading everyones comments. Nowadays, this insanity would never be tolerated. Celebrity Author Covers Case Ann Rule wrote 'Small Sacrifices,' later released as a movie. Thats food for thought. But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. I agree. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? Most people described Dianes injury as minor or superficial but in reality, it was a very serious injury. We, who watched her parole hearing a few years ago prayed HARD that she wouldnt be set free, know she is guilty. So obviously, she was the prime suspect. This coercion came to Dianes attention in January 1989 (Appendix 39). Page 41 of case history. Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. Is Diane really a threat anymore? I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. Im sure nothing I write will change that. It was pitch black outside. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. Is it just to continue to punish her so long after she is obviously no longer a danger in any way to anyone? That her child was basically forced to admit that she saw her mom shoot them? But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. The answers to those questions do not matter anymore. In fact, if appropriate family is found, termination is not required. According to her hospital records, every 6 hours she was given 400 milligrams of Dilantin (which is noted for causing confusion). If she was such a manipulative person, she would not be in prison for life, would she? He actually was the one who suggested theybecome intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. Hardly circumstantial or coincidental what are the chances that a bushy haired stranger, masked men, or someone that knew her (take your pick from Dianes ever shifting account) would have the exact same bullets matching to bullets from a gun owned by Diane ? I think that the time she has served and her good behavior made her eligible for parole. If I was of a mind to manipulate the Board by giving voice to the words they want me to utter, Id have sold my soul two decades ago when the lies would have benefited me and my youth passed long ago. Hugi did not want that. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. Will Cheryl ever be let out of her grave? At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? Lori, I luv how you ended your comment Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. Reasonable doubt is most certainly lacking. But I am realistic. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. Diane said that Cheryl was laying down on the front floorboard with the passenger seat pushed back. And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? This was the prosecution and conviction of (Elizabeth) Diane Downs who has now been incarcerated for too many years in one of Californias (overcrowded) State prisons. I am not saying that Diane was a saint or Ann Rule a demon. The kind of TV series that they produce on high profile crimes will make sure to turn public opinion. It appeared rigged and the fact that Ann Rule sat in the courtroom ready to produce a Masterpiece of Guilt could only help the prosecution. Mr. There are many cases where investigators jump to conclusions either because in their gut they think they know or pressure to make an arrestand i guess with all the attention this case got they gave their gut and the public what they wanted. And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. "We are obviously disappointed at the verdict. I dont. I cant believe anyone even believes or even follows you. Libby, I quoted what Diane said. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . She would have been released under strict conditions with the support of her family and under the care of a mental health specialist. So Mark, where are you from? It had nothing to do with the evidence of the case and represents useless labeling anyway. She entertained the idea of opening a surrogacy agency but the project never really took off. From what Ive read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75. If personal diaries were to be believed, half of the population would be in great jeopardy. If a person were innocent of the crime they were convicted of this puts them in a no-win situation. Their goal was to make Dian look crazy, because sane people dont shoot their children. Page 6 of Case History. In the nurses notes, she is described as in shock and unable to grasp the situation. Would you seriously be confident enough to present your findings you mention in your article to Diane Downs children? She is supposed to be locked up for murder, etc. It appeared rigged: Rigged? I mention in the blog that Dianes mental health is in question so it is obvious that her encounter with her long lost daughter was going to be difficult. Van Houten has made her choices and needs to own up to her actions and stop putting all the blame on drugs and Manson. To the authorities, it was a ridiculous notion that they would not entertain so they did not follow on numerous leads coming from people who had seen someone corresponding to that description. woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that? If appropriate family members could not be found to take placement of the children then family friends are the next step. Sonny arrives at his restaurant and gives Dex, who is there, the night off. Wow does he ever look different than how they portrayed him in the TV movie. I agree with your comment. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath.. I actually do not know what really happened. My opinion of why Mr. Hugi adopted Christie and Danny was to seal their lips. Because Foote was already familiar with the case, the presiding judge assigned him the murder trial after Downs was charged with the shootings. But in the case of DD, there were a lot of elements missing. They said she was going slow but the time at which she arrived seems to indicate otherwise. http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story. Jump through the States hoops, or find a noose around your neck. All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. Now she claims she was dating an FBI agent at the time, was holding some top secret pictures for him, and she was on the road to meet someone to pass them off, at the instruction of her FBI boyfriend. Hed left his first wife to co-habitate with (and later marry) Charlene. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. I do not have to state anything at the beginning of the blog. Otherwise you just want people to fill your echo chamber that agree with you, tell anyone else you obviously dont want to debate me.., then ban, then hope for people to agree. The grandparents were babysitting the children often and had several children who were well adjusted. Diane may very well be guilty, but YIKES this investigation and trial seemed so butchered and tilted in the prosecutions favour. Diane needs some serious spiritual advancement and atonement before she ever will have or deserve peace. According to Oregon law, this would have to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Diane provided both. Youre right to say that a GSR is not always foolproof and between 10-20% of suicide GSR kits test negative for GSR. Flash-forward to the present day. Mainly because she is being kept caged due to her name recognition at this point, not her offense. You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. This really makes me angry, that prosecuter and judge should be sued along with the writter. It means you dont orphan the kids. It sounds like Diane was trying to tell her to stay away from bad influences. He didn't indicate whether Downs would appeal. They should have left her alone. The BBC weather presenter, 60 . On the single count of murder, the jurors needed a unanimous decision. Whenever your shoot a gun that many times and that close to the victims, theres going to be blood and powder residues. Johns Hopkins said lockdowns reduced deaths by 0.2%. As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? I understand that the authorities were afraid to leave the two remaining children under her care if they thought she was guilty, but they could have been released to the grandparents or other blood relatives with supervised visits from their mom considering that she was not charged with any crime. I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. Were they involved in the plot too?? Of course I saw movie first, then read the bookI wanted more, sadly early Internet days, there wasnt much out there, as far as info or video, picturesnothing really. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled Ann Rules Sloppy Storytelling, but she lost and had to make restitution. What about the fact that they never found the gun? You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane.. Dianes dad died a year or two ago. I wasnt there and the records will never be brought to light as far as the child welfare case. why didn't steve downs get custody. Christie NEVER said she didnt know who did it she was just unwilling or afraid to tell on her mother. You hit the nail on the head by stating that in the US especially, they seem to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. It has become entertainment and there can only be good, bad and evil. How was DD able to get away from CK and get the keys back into the ignition without there being more attempts on her life? It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. So it was a relentless game totry to reel her in. She learnedat a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. When you hear her in interviews she sounds more concerned with herself than her kids. 17:40, 1 MAR 2023. Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. #corrupt. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. You are wondering about the question why didn t steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. Yes, like many Americans, I think that the US system is barbaric. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. These are no facts its partial truths and conjecture. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. I like to believe the best about people too but there are certain things that absolutely cant be ignored. Open ended sentences like this are meant to provide a means of control and public safety when considering dangerous offenders who may pose a continued risk to the public. So I start with that bit of history in mind. Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. Click to read The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? Diane Downs was convicted because she didn't appear "sorry enough" during her TV appearances. Sheriffs Deputy Roy Pond admitted in court that he had already concluded that Diane was guilty and stopped following leads on the orders of his sergeantthree weeks after the shooting. I talked about her still being locked up, all these years later, because I really want to know is it because we believe she will commit more crimes or is it because we need more revenge? Q. And she laughed at it by saying it was healthy to want to join the free world, especially if you proclaim your innocence. My comment wont change their opinion on the barbarity of the American legal system, media influences and Ann Rules input. 4. I mention in my blog that when her adoptive dad said that she was coerced and thats why she said she did not know who shot them, that of course she was because this is what she does when under pressure. If I included the ones I dont post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. Spending 35 years incarcerated with time in isolation and often as a target is not going to improve mental health. But the high profile nature of the case might hinder the process. It was far fetched, unfoundedand convenientlyrelayedby Rule to boost the sales of her book. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. Her daughter told the media she watched Small Sacrifices several times. No forensic evidence pointing to her, just conjecture based on how mothers should act. That hurt our family deeply. But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed. She took care of herself not her children. This does not make her innocent. What I believe doesnt matter at all. Imagine knowing that your adoptive dad was responsible for putting your natural mom in the slammer? A reader told me that I should have a website with all the comments. You are not the only one who thinks she is guilty and I know that getting their man at all cost is a popular mantra, but I disagree. She knew that Knickerbocker hated trouble of any kind, and thathe would have never come back to her after an ugly shooting where she had been wounded and her kids damaged. Not our place to decide. Mission accomplished. My opposition to movies about true crime stories is unshakable. She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? I went on ebay and ordered multiple stuff from the 80s, news footage, just to hear what she sounded like, because of all the talk in the book about her demeanor. Posted by October 30, 2021 apush gilded age test on why didn't steve downs get custody The way it was. Susan, I dont know if there ever was a lawsuit against Ann Rule from the Fredericksons family. Can you imagine your little boy growing up to beat to death (with his bare hands and boots) Is she referring to her ex husband? But for what it is worth, I believe she tried to kill her 3 kids. They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. How.. they attacked him. What man has ever publicly revered a former secret mistress? The next day, on June 16, 1983, CSD terminated Dianes visitations with her children altogether. Page 10 of Case History. It was a dark and rural road. To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for 6 months in 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. If you read the blog, you will see examples of his lack of dedication. They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. WTF? She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. There are documented cases of suicides where the person has no GNR, as well as murder cases. I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. The woman shot her children. This is also what the state did to her. Instead of grieving, Alice went partying and had sex. The parole board in Oregon was asking to provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society and it had to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Downs provided both. No OTHER reason. Due process always matters. An attractive woman whose two children were killed in mysterious circumstances and the cops decided to go after her. Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir. I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. Doesnt change the fact that it was still a conflict of interest. In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. I like your approach. Nothing in this blog claims Diane is innocent. Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. Whats next? He separated from his wife and was going to follow Diane who, by now, had decided to move and work in Oregon to be closer to her parents. Maybe dad relinquished, it sounds like he may have. Their theory was very shaky. In fact, I am surprised that people are not flabbergasted by the way this case was handled and tried and that what bothers them most is that I try to discuss it in a blog and dare defending this woman. I think that the US system is barbaric So, why didn't Steve Downs get custody? Anne Rule might have inflamed the case with her book Small Sacrifices and her theory of the crime, but in reality, the case of Diane Downs was no small sacrifice. Also Im curious as to how you feel her repeated escape attempts should affect her deserving to be on parole. Late one May night in 1983, Diane Downs sped into an emergency room dropoff in Springfield, Ore., with a horrifying story to tell. More reason to have investigated the case more thoroughly. The ballistics, gun, speed at which she drove the car, her demeanor, etc. After asking her to have an affair, he kept vacillating between his wife and her. But due to a law enacted in Oregon after she first became eligible for parole, she can now only apply every 10 years. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb: opinion, not fact No one bothered with these details so I did. Her mom is still alive and would love to have contact but respect that they wont. http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php Anyways. Regina, I love your comment! Christie was it though. They were in a group home and he was getting unsupervised visitation with them. Thanks for the link. So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. You simply are a rude individual looking for a reaction. Saudi Princesses in Captivity for More Than a Thousand and One Nights Are Tweeting the Blues, Having recently done research on the Liysa Northons case which was the subject of a book written by Ann Rule titled, Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. That conflict of interest alone would incline Christie to testify against her mother. This is what I try to do when I research a case that was deemed to be a slam dunk. In what world is that O.K. so which one is it????? That is the reason effective trial counsel challenges the competency of a nine-year-old child to testify in a court of law. ..maybe it was lack of Internet and cellies *shrug)..years later, my Co worker at burger King (I was 16)told me about the small sacrifices movie she watched the night before. I like the way you keep an open mind about Diane herself and what she may or may not have been going through mentally. I have simply bothered researching the evidence and in some instances, the lack of it. You hit the nail right on the head. (I know that wasnt brought up this time but it usually is.) I agree that the phone call from Angel was totally inappropriate. I state that it is not my place to judge innocence or guilt. Nice to see this blog is still active in 2017, being a lot of groupsmessage boards and such, on subjects like this has no activity for years. Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? It is because she is a high profile person. And some are even contradictory: shes mentally ill, but also not mentally ill; the site owner wants to focus on pure facts, yet ignore other facts; things happened in court, but those are irrelevant to what else what also happened in court, etc. I would like to see her released because I do not believe in life without parole for any inmate with no priors who had a good conduct while incarcerated. The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. Only the people who present ongoing threats to the safety of the public in general are the ones this sentence is reserved for. There was no question in Dianes mind that Knick would take another mistress if she married him, and that hed move on again. Again I go back to how times were back then. It could be argued that he developed a relationship with the children and genuinely wanted them to join his family. I couldnt get my hands on the book nor find anything in librariesso basically it was many years later I dove into knowing more about this case, that kinda haunted me. Diane Downs is guilty beyond any doubt and I do not believe that her daughter was coached. but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby. Simply because I researched them. And in fact this would have been about the time that Charlene broke a bottle of liquor that you had. Andthe DA adopted her other two children. Dianewas jealous ofthe other woman, but Robert Knickerbockers wife said that she foundher rather friendly during their encounter. How asinine. 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