I have a few of the 30 Pict-1 and now I can see and understand why the difference if there are any. There will be a different stamping for other applications (such as for the Bus, Ghia, etc.). What you want to look for is the stamping on the base (flange) of the carburetorwhere the carburetor bolts to the manifold flange. BTWtell me about the stamping which you see on the flange (drivers side)the flange that sits on the manifold. Regards, EMPI Modified 30 PICT-1 Carburetor (P/N 98-1287B) has been designed for VW 1600cc class race engines. Carburetor Adjusting Tool. Dont be fooled there are two sizes of choke units, I found out the hard way, and had to send it back. [* WordPress Simple Firewall plugin marked this comment as trash. Throttle Positioner Thanks in advance! 12 volt choke heaters are available used (see http://www.thesamba.com) and newsee any number of Online retailers. Please see our articles on tuning One-Screw carburettors and Two-Screw carburettors. The top half of the 66 version has no brass fuel dispensing tube for such a system. Adjustment of "Double-Screw" Carburettors This can be a problem when a generator is replaced with an alternator in a pre-1973 car. Question - I have a simple question about the Solex 30 PICT/2 carburettor. Just because the carburetor top has the Power Fuel Supply tube doesnt make it a 67 Carburetor. Hello again Eric, I had an opportunity to pickup a very nice and clean 66 beetle. Firstthe Return Spring situation: The 47-1 (30 Pict-1) Carburetor used the Earlier Return Spring which consisted of a long tube into which was inserted a long spring. From memory, some of the differences he pointed out are are sloping headlights, locking steering column, different interior door handles, no emergency flashers or back up lights, thin chrome trim/mouldings, different hubcaps and drivers side mirror, 4-lug wheels with power dics brakes in the front, 6v wiring. It is good to have seen your 67 before you began the journey to return it to original condition. Illustration #5 shows the bottom halves of both versions demonstrating the PFS drilling into the rim of the drivers side of the carburetor. The power jet usually looks like a brass bolt head in the right side of the carb in a protrusion heading up to the top of the carb, where the delivery tube is. His son was the one who sold us the car. The idle jet should be a size 55, and power jet size 65. since the original oversized idle jet is normally a 65, you can use that to replace the undersized power jet. Not many here in the USA. Great article, Jay. I am also in my 70s and havent worked on my 1967 engine in many years and want to buy a new carb. Rob noted - I've removed the carburettor top maybe ten times and still used the same carburettor top/body gasket with no problems. I dont know. Parts/Rebuild. Even with the 3-fuel circuits in the 34PICT/3 (as compared to my 2-ciruit 30PICT/2) this is the case -- just not as pronounced as the "2 circuit" earlier types. Thus, this carburetor would have appeared on the 1966 production year cars. So.. Lets talk about how to properly install one. Both were fitted onto 65 T-2s. Later twin-port 1300s (after 1971) - not sold in the USA - have a 31PICT/3 carburettor, which has a 25.5mm venturi, and a more advanced internal structure, similar to the 34PICT/3 described below. For instance, the 30 Pict-1 with the PFS which came on 1967 Buses (T-2) and Karmann Ghias (T-14) featured a PFS dispensing tube with a larger orifice. Empi Part# 98-1288-B. And since higher airfow means a higher vacuum in the throat, this sucks in more fuel for a richer mixture, so you then have to enlarge the air correction jet to match the higher airflow. Out of interest sakewhat is the stamping on the carburetor flange? Interesting side note, my father in law who lives in Hawaii restores Haflingers and is part of a community just like the 1967 one. 1.0 out of 5 stars Will not allow air/ fuel adjustment,very disappointing. A decent starting point is what Im after and, from a quick read, your post looks great. Carburetor Fuel Inlet Fitting. jay, Hello, i am Mark and i am from Belgium. This works with the choke to give a smooth idle on a cold engine. Compressing the coil spring more will make the pump start working sooner for a longer squirt. Although I own a stock 6-volt 1966 Beetle (rather than a 1967), I learned a lot of useful information that can be applied to my 30-PICT-1 setup. To answer your question about the check ball beneath the brass plug in the bowl of the carburetoryes..that ball is essential. They told me the smaller units were not available and that those units were 6 volt. The 30 PICT-1 carburetor differs . Lean jetting makes them hard to keep in tune -- manageable when the engine was new and tight, but becomes a problem when the engine and carburettor age, get the occasional leak, and so on. This is Andy T. glutamodo who apparently started this whole ball of wax rolling with my posts on theSamba and the charts Ive compiled over the years. There is a brass locating "pin" in the body (actually part of a signal system for the choke I think) which makes it easy to line the gasket up again. The 67 version, on the right, is stamped VW 105-1 on the manifold flange. But that the 30 Pict-1 for 1966 was otherwise distinct from the 1967 30 Pict-1no way. Fast Idle screw which works with the stepped cam to set the idle speed with the choke on. This may take a couple of minutes or so. The 1600cc DP can flow more air than the 1600cc SP and smaller engines. jay. You may find it easiest to simply note where the clamp goes on the cable end in this position (wide open), then let up on the pedal and make the connection with the system relaxed. VW Solex Carburetor 30 PICT 3 For Air-Cooled Volkswagen. It had NO check ball in the PFS. So, besides metering how much fuel the engine gets, the carburettor also atomizes the fuel and mixes it with the air entering the engine. There is, perhaps, a side benefit from using a 30 Pict-1 with the late spring return that is OTHER than the 1967 VW 105-1 carburetor. As for the 6 Volt Pilot Jet ValveI have 2 or 3 and I think that they operate. Besides the engines (1300-1500) and carbs was there any other significant differences between the 66 and the 67 beetle? I traded a rough 1952 CJ-3A for it in January of 1975. Receive posts from 1967beetle.com in your inbox. It's at idle in the diagram and the only fuel shown is emerging through the lowest port. Restoring A Vintage Volkswagen Bug. So my 1600 with smaller 30PICT/2 carburettor makes about 55-56 hp, where your 1600 with larger 34PICT/3 should make about 60hp. A Euro 67 with a 1500. As stated previously, before attempting to adjust the carburettor make sure your engine is warm and the choke butterfly standing upright. 2. Any comment? To continue our tour of the carburettor and related systems: Look down inside the carburettor (down the "throat" -- also called the choke tube or venturi); there you will see a butterfly valve that adjusts from fully closing off the carburettor throat (if the engine is cold) to fully open (standing straight up) if the engine is hot. Thank you for signing up! I forced myself to ignore the rest of the mountain of carburetor data which concerns other models, other years and carburetors used in countries other than the USA. Another very interesting and certainly useful article from Jay. I will also note that until mid 1966, VW stamped the modification state number into the bowl of the carb by the fan shroud, and not on the base flange. VW Solex Carburetor Idle Cut Off Valve 30/31 Pict 12 Volt Part # 056 129 412. (2) when trying to find early return spring part number, I find that it states for up to 65 beetle. Markwhy dont you use the 31 Pict-3 carb? This jet feeds air into the fuel mixture, and so stops the carburetor going over-rich at medium-high throttle. I know that someone is going to catch this sooner or later. The 1300 also was the first Beetle year to have cam bearings. Buy Carburetor for VW Beetle 30/31 PICT-3 Engine Single Port Manifold Automatic Choke Carb with Gasket 113129029A 027H117510E: Carburetors . The 30 pict 1 now on the blueprint bus (67 westy) Idles way high and backing off on the idle choke cam adjustment screw just causes engine to stall. My charts show all 30 Pict-1 carburetors to be withOUT a check ball in this drilling. Hopefully your engine will be purring by this time. VW 83-1 with the late style throttle return spring. jay. ZU VERKAUFEN! 1. Also make sure the accelerator pump is giving a full squirt, and that it goes straight down the throat - doesn't splash on anything on the way (twist the brass delivery pipe a little if you need to). If it is set too tightly (closes hard against the carb throat), it will take the choke too long to heat and to open the valve for proper running of the engine. It's important to set the valves, points, timing and to check the choke before setting the carburettor, as they all work together for a smooth running engine. Could this be fixed by adjusting idling? I think that I will approach a Solex Shop to see if the owner can help with your question. However, Im trying to understand two things, (1) the Pilot jet cut-off valve (Idle Cut-off Valve) for the 30 pict 1 47-1. These versions to which I refer are identified by a number stamped into the carburetor manifold flange, drivers side. Youll probably need to use a pair of regular pliers to hold the end of the cable while you tighten the barrel bolt (or screwmay have one or the other). Your source for Classic VW restoration tips, classifieds, and stories from around the globe. Thus, the PFS Nozzle could/would be of a different size. 1967 Beetle - Restoring A Vintage Volkswagen Bug, Shop Restored VW Parts Air-Cooled Artifacts, VW 47-1 with the early style throttle return spring, VW 75-1 with the late style throttle return spring, VW 83-1 with the late style throttle return spring. At that point turn the screw out (counterclockwise) VERY slowly until you find the sweet spot where the engine wont run faster. Hello Jay, Soif you are not interested in a numbers-matching engine compartment but want to take advantage of perhaps a little extra boost, leave your non-67 Beetle 30 Pict-1 where it sits on your manifold. Jeff, so you can put a 1967 pic 30 pict on 1966 bug ?but not vise a versa ? Since it is a 6v, will that make parts even harder to find? In fact, we raised our family in these cars. Thank you for stimulating our collective brains! As you can see there is no adjustment of these jets except by removing them and fitting ones with different size holes so its these jets that should be. 3. Of course, Bus and Ghia variants were different than on Bugs. Most stuff prob. Hello, I'm Eric. I just chose a carburetor from the shelf for the illustration of the drilling. Step 1: Check and Adjust Fuel Pressure. 30/31 PICT-3 Type 1 & 2 Bug Bus Ghia. The carb is marked Solex 30 Pict on the side of the float bowl. Hello, BruceWhoopsyes, author error. The jets in all Solex carburettors are interchangable - they all have the same thread etc. It had 1600 cylinders, with single port head and 30PICT/3 carburettor. This carburetor is now SCORE approved for classes 1-2/1600, 5/1600, 9, 11. Jay, Since they both told me the same thing Im trusting that they are being truthful with me. These carburettors have a 22.5mm throat. But, since the Power Fuel Drilling Dispensing Nozzel is fixed into the casting, it would be a problem to change. 1600, 009, 30 PICT-1. Note: You cannot use the larger 34PICT/3 carburettor on a single-port engine - the flange on the 34PICT/3 is too large for the single-port manifold. Slightly loosen the 3 screws on the ceramic choke element retaining ring. ===================================== The Factory Main Jet would have been 115. Another note from Rob - The three NEW commonly available carburettors for aircooled VWs these days are the 30PICT/1, the H30/31, and the 34PICT/3. Take care and thanks for stimulating our collective brains! Previous topic - Next topic. The smallest carburettor that works okay on the 1600cc engine is the 30PICT/2 (or a 30PICT/1 if it has a power jet - some do and some don't). Download 98-1289-B-Idle-Adjustment.pdf Manual. You might be able to see bright 'rub' marks if the butterfly itself is binding on the sides, or on the outer edges (near where it closes). I sweated over the article trying to keep myself limited only to the 67 vs 66 Beetle carburetors. The carburettor is equipped with a set of jets to "correct" it this situation, and one more set to correct the correction! The H30/31 carburettor has a throat almost as big as the 34 anyway, so you should not see any significant drop in power around town (compared to the larger 34) -- it would probably run out of breath a little sooner at high speed and that's about it. Those carburettors use a different . As to your question: your combination will operate. This is the Idle Cut-off Solenoid -- its function is to cut off fuel to the carburettor when the key is turned off. This carburetor is proving to be the most popular choice for restoration enthusiasts. The modern H30/31 works well too - it has a 25.5mm throat. nothing on the flange but stamped on outside of bowl The Pilot Jet Valve (idle jet) would be the g55. As for the 6 Volt Pilot Jet ValveI have 2 or 3 and I think that they operate. Or should find a 75-1 instead? Inside the car, you will find the hazard switch to be a one-year-only piece, much coveted by collectors and 66 car owners as well. Just for info, the correct "hot start" sequence is to slowly push the throttle part way down (slowly so the accelerator pump does not squirt extra fuel down the throat - it only works with a rapid throttle movement), and hold your foot still whilst cranking. Hi Jay, (Also attached to this terminal is the black wire that provides power to the automatic choke.) All these 30 and 31 series carburettors ( 1200cc, 1300cc, 1500cc, and 1600cc engines) Shop JBugs today for high quality aircooled VW parts! A huge thanks to Jay Salser for all he does for1967beetle.com. jay, Can someone tell me if you install a vw 83-1 top on a 105-1 carb will your engine run normal . My VW mechanic, at the time, was obliging, telling me some tricks of the trade. Just found youre web site. The VW 105-1 Air Correction Jet would be 125z. It has been stored, unused for a long period. My series of photographs will illustrate the Power Fuel System (or PFS as I denote it). Throttle Shaft Bushings You can't buy a brand new 30PICT/2 carburettor any more, but you can buy a brand new 30OICT/1, or H30/31 model, which are the replacement carburettors for all the 28 and 30 series. 1. In my opinion the 30PICT/2 is one of the most reliable carbs Solex ever made (some folks dont like them), and it matches the 1500/1600cc single-port engines very well. Take care and stick with us, Alan. Being new to VW, it seems like Ive got a lot of learning ahead of me. They sit on the twin port manifold with a 30/34 adapter plate. Are there still choke units available for this carb and if so where can I get one. Touch the wire back onto the connector, and you should hear a clicking sound as the valve inside moves. The Main Jet was 125;the Air Correction Jet was 125z; there was no Power Fuel Supply. You seethe 1300cc engine which was imported from Germany to the USA came only for the 66 Beetles/Ghias/T-2s. Remove the spring and diaphragm. I appreciate your valuable comments! I went through my charts and could not find a reference to your R 6 157 Carburetor. It probably is most suited to this enginejetting, etc.since apparently it was designed for this engine. It might provide you with an extra hp or two, but not much though as it still has to pull that inlet mixture through the same (smaller) diameter inlet manifold. Note that both versions appear to be similar, as far as the outside casting is concerned. This forms the air-tight seal which is required. Germany. That but caught me way off-guard. 30-Pict 1 Carb Installation. Help Adjusting 30 PICT-2. I encourage you to look for that stamping first. when I bought my 67 Deluxe Beetle two years ago in San Diego, California, USA, it had a miss-mash of parts on it from who knows when. I cannot comment on their functions as compared with the 30 Pict-1 carbs. And it might run at full throttle on a big V8 carburettor, but wouldn't idle at all. If it is closing too tightly, do the following. Carburetor Repair Kit. Solex 220S This procedure also applies to the 30PICT/1 and 28. series carburettors having a single adjusting screw. :). 1. Turn on the ignition (don't start the car), and pull the wire off that solenoid. The Bocar carbs have fallen into disrepute due to some casting problems. Rob responded - Well, yes, that's sort of right. Engine is a 1200cc year of manufacture 1961. Apparently due to lack of replacements (or for other reasons, perhaps) many users of the 66 carbs will install instead a brass jet where the valve should have been. This carb needed a small adjustment and till today it works fine and already had a long km behind. This is always open (it's called a "constant venturi" carburettor), so there is a huge variation in the amount of vacuum at the venturi, depending on how open the butterfly is, and of course the engine speed. Hello again, DanRight. I didnt think there was anything there as the dirt was light and completely smooth. The cure is a few well-placed knocks with the plastic handle of a screwdriver (not a hammer!) 234915322652 Note: It is important that you know the model of your carburettor, as adjusting details vary somewhat from model to model. Is your carburetor a 30 Pict-1? Follow the fuel supply line down from the top of the carburettor to just below the Distributor (the round orange or black thing with five heavy wires protruding from the top of it). Why, I cannot say. Mark, Under the timing light, the pulley notch is to the right side of the case seam. This is fantastic information. 2. I discovered this misstep too late in the process to reverse it. Thanks all! Hey I loved the article and as a newbe to VW carbs I already learned a bunch. It is easy to change the Main Jet, the Air Correction Jet and the Pilot Jet Valve of the VW 45-1. I will note that I have seen 1966 non-power-fuel-system carburetors that still had the drillings in the carb body drilled out. Havent found one. Lots of info, I learned something I didnt know. However, the purist in me kept my mouth shut. Im now smarter and saved to home screen, the whole articles I need. This is the Fuel Pump. Thanks for coming back to me, youre right, Im in the UK so a non US vehicle. I listen to my engines and turn it according to my ear. The choke assembly has been removed and plugged. Then came the 30PICT/2 in 1968/1969 for the 1300/1500cc engines and the 30PICT/3 for the US-only 1970 1600cc single-port engine. HELP. Someone wrote ? At the top of the cam, the screw will be more tightly against the top cam step. 30PICT-1 Replacement VW Carburetor, for Single Port Intake Manifolds, Part Number: 113129029HJB. Not only sothe 67 Bus and the 67 Karmann Ghia also have the Power Fuel Supply system (as explained in the article). I agree. It has the Power Fuel System and is a 30 Pict-1 from a VW other than a Beetle. The first thing to do is not set up the idle speed, but to set the idle mixture screw to lean best idle setting. You could always replace the choke to 6V. Thanks again guys All great stuff. 8. I was reading this article and found it very helpful. Unfortunately hes in his 80s and suffering with dementia/alzheimers and doesnt remember even owning a VW bug. Contrast the Main Jet of the VW 105-1 for the 67 Beetle which would be120. I recognize you as one of the knowledgeable persons on the Samba Forums who passes his knowledge to the rest of us! It was a different marketplace in Europe and elsewhere. It takes three hands -- I use my channel lock pliers and hold the end of the cable to the throttle lever while I tighten the screw with the other hand. by vwlover77 Fri May 05, 2017 6:58 pm. LOL Happily for us today, we enjoy the fruits of thousands (millions?) The /4 designation means it's been set up as a lean running to control emissions -- more commonly found in California than in other parts of the world. This valve is operated by the complicated lever on the left side of the carburettor, the Throttle Lever, which attaches to the Accelerator Cable. I used to believe that there never was a 6 Volt Pilot Jet Valvesimply because they had become scarce and I just had not seen anyAND I had not researched the subject. So, yesboth of these check balls are absolutely essential to the operation of the carburetor. If the intake manifold This means that it has not been drilled, then had the end plugged. Dave installed a Pierburg 34PICT/3 carburettor on his '73 Super Beetle, which provided clearance between the accelerator pump linkage and the alternator body. Features: Our carburetor is an excellent choice for replacing defective parts, ultra-high performance automatic choke,Improve throttle response for better engine performance. Status: Offline. I have screwed it all the way in while it is running and it makes a small difference in the idle but not much. Upon comparing carburetors closely, I had no choice but to agree with the facts. Words by the amazing, Jay Salser. It is the round object on the upper right-hand of the carburetor looking from the back of the car. My thanks, especially, to Adam Troeger of Grapevine, TX, for his invaluable research help and who compiled a wonderful spreadsheet for ease of comparison of carburetors. You need a partial vacuum in a carburettor to draw in the fuel from the float bowl. My engine is a 12 volt set up and it was registered as a 1967 VW. Setting the 34PICT/3 carburetor. Search Close Menu Close Classifieds. Any comment on this? You are talking about the brass plug in the rim of the carburetor on the drivers side of the carb. The VW 83-1 Carburetor was an unusual carburetor (from my perspective). And, I DO work for you. So you set the idle speed to 850rpm or so, then use the volume screw to get the fastest idle, then reset the idle speed using the throttle arm screw. jay. . Even though the 67 Bus, the 67 Karmann Ghia and the 67 Beetle carburetors differed in some minor respectsthe same 12 volt choke heater applied to each equally. 3. Russ, Hello, RussI have several questions about your car. Lets see if we can unearth the relevant information. Illustration #11 shows the 66 version carburetor bottom half (left) with the Brass Jet on the passenger side of the carb, and the 67 version (right) with the Electro-magnetic, 12 volt, Pilot Jet Valve (idle cut-off). Part Number: 113129029HJB $109.95. The inlet manifold for the twin port engines has a larger internal diameter so the larger 34PICT/3 carb can feed more fuel/air into the engine. Brosol H30/31 Carburettors Illustration #7 shows the end of the horizontal casting in the 66 version (drivers side)the end has not been plugged. carburetor re-build Page 1/3 March, 01 2023 4a1 Solex Carburetor Manual. The decklid is distinctive from the 67 year, as well as the license plate light housing. You can expect to wait for a good number of months for the documents. I was reading this article and found it very helpful. Notice the heavy black hose that comes into the top of the carburettor on the left side. Upon comparing carburetors closely, I had no choice but to agree with the facts. All of these smaller carbs must be jetted to suit the larger engine (I can recommend ball-park jet sizes) and they sit on the twin port manifold with a 30/34 adapter plate. Remove the air cleaner. Keep up the good work. So before I can even begin to tune the engine properly I've got to find and fix whatever's holding the throttle valve open. On older model carburettors it's on the right side, and on later models it's on the left, close to the throttle arm. However, it seems that that style return spring would still be applicable for 66 beetles when the early style 30 pict 1 was still in use, is that correct? Solex 30 pict/2 carburetor adjustment procedures. 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